Quit being such wimps!!!!

One CBS poll comes out, and folks are freaking out.

Ok, get ready folks, my take is, ALL the polls will be tied or close by mid next week.

And, the onslaught of the troll crowd has already begun; they will flood in with doom and gloom, and beat you to death with the polls.

So, what are you going to do about it?


I already see signs of doom, gloom, wailing and weeping.

Call for Hillary to save us?  Hell, that is what all the trolls are going to try and torment you with.

Let me get this straight.  Sarah Palin has you all terrified, is that right?

Well then guess what? You are just like the rest of America, we have been jerked around by fear and bullcrap by the Bushies and the Republic Party so much, they just have to say BOO and we fall over.

They stuck some theocrat mayor/new governor from Alaska up there and she gave a red meat speech to the base, and now its over? That is how the NoQuarter trolls want it.

Not me.  I am going hit the max donation before that happens, I am not going down without a fight.

MY party did a great convention, they didn't lie, they didn't slander anybody, and they didn't parade around with all this BS false patriotism.

Did you watch these liars?

They are screaming "We must take Washington back from the liberals" when it's been Cheney's and Bush's policy that have driven us into this ditch!

Quit being scared and start getting mad!

I MEAN REALLY MAD!

If you want to lay down and moan, oh no, big bad Sarah Palin just changed the whole election, YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE ANYWAY!

Thank god Joe Biden and Barack Obama aren't afraid of a tough fight, and aren't pissing and moaning cause of Sarah Palin, like I see folks doing here.



Display:


Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 9)

OK, sorry to rant a bit, but come on!!!

Don't expect tips, flame away if you want.

Just had to get that off my chest.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 06:51:41 PM EST

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (none / 0)

this was discussed over at 538. the # of independents was decreased and the number of republicans increased.  


"They are ever so much nicer at Tiffany's!"
by epiphany on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:49:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 1)

I said this last night- the Democrats have been organizing since the primaries. We have state parties that have volunteers to register new voters and get people out to vote. The republicans have nothing like this type of ground game.

Also, I just read this on Pollster.com:

A Gallup release today demonstrated that compared to an August average, McCain's support post-Palin has increased with white Republican women (+5 change in McCain).  There has been no movement with Republican men (+1).

By contrast, Democrats and independents across gender lines move toward Obama post-Palin.  This movement has mostly been larger than McCain's movement among Republican women (independent men: +7 Obama; independent women: +5; Democratic men and women: +8 each).  In fact, Obama now leads with white independent women (46% Obama, 39% McCain).

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/omero_the_ palin_effect_prelimi.php


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 08:02:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Palin has been terrified (2.00 / 1)

no, I don't think we're going to lose, but I'm not as confident as I was on Monday.

This is not about whether or not we can lose, it terrifies me that there's even a 1% chance Mussolini in a Miniskirt could be a heartbeat away from appointing SCOTUS justices and that has me up nights.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 06:59:39 PM EST

Re: Palin has been terrified (2.00 / 3)

Hey, I hear you, if you watch my post history, I logged on the moment I heard they nominated her with a sense of dread.

But, now, that has morphed into anger.

And, it's getting redder and hotter as time goes on.

And, you know what, it feels better?

And, I am NOT scared like I was then, cause if this country is STUPID enough to want that ticket with it's finger on the nuclear football, then we damn well deserve to slide straight past third world status and to the bottom of the stack.

This is it IMHO, it is now or never for this country.

We either are so dumbed down by Reality TV and constant infomercials, or we figure it out now and start changing...

But, if we don't, then I am standing down and handing it to the millenials.

Yours, cause my generation of boomers can't screw it up any worse then this....


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:07:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Palin has been terrified (none / 0)

"""Mussolini in a Miniskirt"""

Heckyeah lol!

Mussolini in a Miniskirt!  That'll work!  Keep up those sexist remarks, folks.  That's helping, for sure.


Killing me softly with his song
by Miles Outlandish on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:35:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Palin has been terrified (none / 0)

BOO!

See, little sockpuppets scare easy!!1

Fly back to Larry, and wait for your Mccain talking points.....


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 08:40:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Palin has been terrified (none / 0)

Sexists for Obama! Hooray!


Killing me softly with his song
by Miles Outlandish on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 09:01:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Palin has been terrified (none / 0)

While you are obviously a member of:
 Idiots for republican morons!
TANSTAAFL
by Terminus on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:22:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Palin has been terrified (2.00 / 1)

Kid, I was supporting Democrats actively when you were in diapers, most likely.  Take your nooby idiocy back to KOS, where you belong.


Killing me softly with his song
by Miles Outlandish on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 01:23:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Palin has been terrified (2.00 / 1)

That's where I am.  I think Pawlenty would have made things easier for McCain to win but right now I'd give anything for that situation.  Oh well, who needs civil rights for minorities and a functioning economy?


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:09:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I know they say liberals hate America (2.00 / 1)

I cannot be a citizen of a country that elects these two fascists. I just can't. My ancestors didn't run from fascism in Europe so that their descendants can sit back and let it happen in America.

I really am beginning to feel that I need to come home and do something. I feel so useless over here.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:15:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I know they say liberals hate America (2.00 / 1)

I know rationally that there are checks and balances and we probably could survive Palin but all of my instincts are screaming at me.


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:17:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

There are no checks and balances (none / 0)

in post-Bush America. Bush has elevated the Presidency into a semi-dictatorship and Congress has a mere advisory committee.

A popular Sarah Palin is not only dangerous, it's fatal.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:20:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There are no checks and balances (none / 0)

Yes yes, we all know, youre in italy, youre practically italian now that you've been there months!

Months, I say!

You've told us, over and over and over and over...


Killing me softly with his song
by Miles Outlandish on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:37:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Clean up on Aisle 4..... (none / 0)

Miles, isn't it time you morphed into another puppet?


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 08:41:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I know they say liberals hate America (2.00 / 2)

What can you do any different over her, unless you were working on the campaign.

Give money, call your friends, and pray, I guess.

Actually, I really am feeling better.

Losing to McCain/Palin will clearly delinate in my mind, this country is insane and beyond saving, at least from the current political generation.

I'm serious when I say, I am giving it to the millenials, and getting out of the poltics game, if we trump the stupid we did in 2000 and 2004 with McCain/Palin.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:21:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I know they say liberals hate America (2.00 / 1)

I'll think of you when I'm told that I had better convert or face judgment.  

Have you read the details of McCain's health care plan btw?  It's insane.  Someone explained it on Balloon Juice:


"We're going to give everyone a $5000 tax rebate." When asked how they'd pay for that, Holtz-Eakin explained that they'll tax employer-provided health care as income. The kicker was when he said that a family could buy good health care for $2400/year. Right. No mention of the fact that health care companies won't take anyone with a pre-existing condition either.

So not only will they not provide universal health care, but they're discourage employees from providing the benefits they currently do.  Don't pay $5000 in taxes?  Eh, you didn't need health care anyway.

This...  just makes no sense at all....  and they might win.


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:29:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Palin has been terrified (none / 0)

Hi nrafter530.  Please ask:  "Really, what's changed?"

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/9/4/13134 2/4960#commenttop


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:29:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nothing's changed (2.00 / 1)

Issues are secondary to identity and personality when it comes to votes. The sad fact is McCain/Palin will earn votes from people who disagree with them on like every issue because these votes "like the way she looks" or "likes the fact he's a POW"

Maybe not enough to win and maybe Obama will also win votes from people who disagree with him, but if every American voted on important issues, the Republicans would NEVER win...or at least that's how I see it.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:56:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 3)

Sarah Palin doesn't have me terrified, but she looks like a smart pick for McCain. McCain doesn't have me terrified, but he was the Republican most likely to beat Obama. This will be a tight race, and I knew in the primaries that Obama was most poorly positioned to win it.

Obama needs working class voters, he doesn't have them yet. Biden helps, but not much. So far Obama does not appear to be worried, I think he should be.


by souvarine on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:07:47 PM EST

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 2)

Souvarine, I don't think he GETS worried, I think he sticks to the plan and keeps moving forward.

Which is what I want in the WH frankly.

Look at these two.

What do you think they would have done in the Cuban Missle Crisis?

Mr. Military Hot-head and the Barracuda?

This ticket will make Bush/Cheney look like pacifists is my take.

Heck, I know you are a hard core Hillary fan, at this point, you have every right to throw in the second guessing.

So be it, all grist for the mill at this point.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:11:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This is the way they wanted it.. (2.00 / 7)

All those GOP cross over voters, voting for Obama..

Still, they can't mask the fact that they are who they are, and America is SICK of them and their mismanagement and spitefullness and greed.

Obama will win. McCain is McSame.


Health Care: WHY do we pay MORE and GET LESS?
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/con tent/full/hlthaff.28.1.w1/DC1
by architek on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:16:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm done with the "should he have chosen (2.00 / 4)

HRC for veep" issue; it's in the past and if we lose, then perhaps we can revisit the situation and Obama will owe us an explanation as to what his thinking was with the veep choice and if he ever thought McCain would put Palin on the ticket in response.  I think all of us would rather have Mitt Romney after his uninspiring convention speech on the ticket, rather than Palin.

I'll go out on a limb and say that Palin didn't move the polls yesterday. WSB, I predict Obama will be up by six in gallup over the weekend and up four in Rasmussen, meaning a 0-point bounce for McCain.


by Blazers Edge on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:21:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm done with the "should he have chosen (none / 0)

Well, I will go with your infinite Wisdom, Blazer.

It sure will make my weekend easier (they are calling for very nice weather in the Seatac area, as you know....)


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:23:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm done with the "should he have chosen (2.00 / 1)

I'm wondering why it's become accepted wisdom that Palin was a response to Obama NOT putting Hillary on the ticket.  Since it's already been established that it's a "fire up the base" pick, and that it's not moving Clinton voters, you would think that the McCain camp knew what they'd be getting with her.  The Republicans if not poll driven.

I think Palin might actually be MORE effective if Hillary were on the ticket.


by Jordache on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:36:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm done with the "should he have chosen (none / 0)

"the republicans are nothing if not poll driven"

woooweee.  Just took some klonipins, and my own writing looks like gibberish.


by Jordache on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:37:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I just don't understand (2.00 / 4)

coming from working class household what working class voters see in McCain and Palin except fascism and wedge issues. If that's what they want, then they sign their own death warrants.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:17:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 3)

Hell Yeah!

Its a fight and it is ON!


by GoldLame on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:19:40 PM EST

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 0)

We lose this, I may go like those south Oregon Crazies that were tossing Newspaper boxes through Starbucks window up here during the WTC!

ANARCHY!!!!! REVOLUTION!!!!

Where's the nearest Seattle Times paper box anyway?

(if I don't throw my 55 year old back out, that is!)


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:26:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (none / 0)

Yeah, you do that.  Throw a tantrum.

That'll work.


Killing me softly with his song
by Miles Outlandish on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:53:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (none / 0)

Don't you have anything to do except be annoying?


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 08:43:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 1)

"Call for Hillary to save us?  Hell, that is what all the trolls are going to try and torment you with."

I happen to agree with you.  But I call them 'bots, not trolls:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/9/4/24951 /00256#readmore


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:25:28 PM EST

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 1)

When you guys go to a birthday party, do you discuss actuarial tables and such dismal shit or do you enjoy the celebration marking the passage of another year of hating Republicans? This year, we are going to hand the smug bastards a defeat of epic proportions, and I for one am savoring every moment.

Recap of the Conventions:

Democratic Convention: ROCKED!

Republican Convention: SUCKED!

Which part of this wonderful time has bummed you out? Go eat some prunes and have a good bowel movement, if you're so constipated.


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:26:12 PM EST

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 2)

I think you need to remove those tinted glasses :-).

This SHUD be the democrats' year, but we would be fools to underestimate the repug strategy.  They've won 8 of the last 11 presidential elections.  And they've won the last 2 elections by distracting people from the issues and running on PERSONALITY, not issues.

THAT is what Sarah Palin is all about.  That is what they are trying to do with this election.  They don't have a hope if people walk into those polls thinking about the issues, but the Repugs have become masters at empty language and fear mongering.

Complacency and "celebration" are laughably premature at the moment.  If we want to win, we are going to have to FIGHT for it, and fight hard.

We can party our arses off on the 5th of November.


The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.
by mtnspirit on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 10:26:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Florida (2.00 / 5)

It looks like Palin will be in Florida with HRC at the same time next week (the sentence structure is weird but you know what I mean); the Obama campaign is apparently dispatching Schumer with her as well.

That they are sending HRC to Florida is not a surprise; that the Obama camp is using Schumer suggests that it smells some blood with her ties to extremists and her weakness on foreign policy in a state that focuses more on foreign policy than any other state according to Rasmussen and Silver.

I really thought Team Obama would shut down in Florida after its polling had stalled despite all the money it spent on ads and McCain's failure to spend even a dime in the state on ads.  With Biden there a couple days this week, HRC there next week, and even Schumer now, it seems that the Palin pick, despite her other strengths, may have put the state back in play.  We'll have to wait for polling to either confirm my theory or make me sound like a complete idiot.


by Blazers Edge on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:27:17 PM EST

Re: Florida (2.00 / 2)

I wonder if they have info on the AIP?

I suspect that group, like those nuts in Idaho, tend to be anti-semitic.

Blazer, you are making me feel better by the minute.

Wish I could buy you a beer after work tonight.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:30:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Just to provide support for my (2.00 / 3)

HRC and Schumer will be in Florida story, TPM has allegedly confirmed it.

If I were Obama, I'd utilize HRC more on television.  She hasn't had one national television interview since the primaries concluded; my sense is that the Obama camp probably feels that it wouldn't be helpful to put her on tv the same way that McCain has utilized Romney primarily on tv because the press would ask her more questions about the primary, which would re-open primary wounds.

I think the game has changed in the sense that she would probably be more asked about Palin, rather than the primary.  There's less talk about "disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters" now that it has become apparent that Palin is not really going after HRC's base support of women.  If I were Obama, I'd ask HRC to go on tv and advocate on his behalf and against McCain/Palin.   Her tv appearance would draw a lot more attention that any campaign appearance, as her making an appearance on behalf of Obama is no longer news.


by Blazers Edge on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 08:35:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh yeah... (2.00 / 1)

I suspect that group, like those nuts in Idaho, tend to be anti-semitic.

Oh.....  good point.  Now I wonder that, too.  State independence-secession groups have long had a tendency towards that, as well as other xenophobias.  AIP?  I wonder.


by Dumbo on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 01:33:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh yeah... (none / 0)

Every four years I wonder how we managed to lose another election, then i say ridiculous posts like yours and I remember...


Killing me softly with his song
by Miles Outlandish on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:59:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

1 McCain point for use of "we" n/t (none / 0)


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:06:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Florida (2.00 / 1)

Nah, Obama was never going to close-up shop in Florida. The campaign understands that they've got a lot of ground to make up there, since he wasn't able to get his organization going there during the primaries.
The ads were for the introduction to the people, meanwhile, the ground game has been underway for a while.
But Palin did give them an opening, and I can think of no better place for Clinton to give Palin her first bloody nose than there, where she's got a lot of capital.
by EvilAsh on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:04:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks for the reality slap!! (2.00 / 3)

I needed it.  I have been lurking today and feeling bummed.  I did not watch Palin's speech but heard snippets on the cable news.  IMHO she cannnot hold a candle to BO. But, the MSM acted like she invented Christmas. How can the media call her a "Rock Star" after basically 6 days on the national scene.  In 6 days, she became a rock star?  The MSM is fickle and games the system.  Obama has been tested for 19 months against the Clinton machine. And the Clintons are no joke!!! Come on people, we came through the primary supporting different and spectacular Democrats, but we ended up on the same great team.  I am fired up and ready to go.  This weekend, I am leaving DC and driving down to the VA exurbs to work for the campaign.  I intend to do this at least twice a month until the election. We need to work and not worry. I have been through some adversity in my life and I always have hope.


by smgreene on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:27:59 PM EST

Re: Thanks for the reality slap!! (2.00 / 1)

Thanks for hitting the pavement for the democrats.

I figure, my state is so blue, I am just hopeing the Obama bounce can help my governor, Christine Gregoire, who is in a dog fight with a fake Repub named Rossi, who is pretending HE is the agent of change.

Good luck to you, GodSpeed down in VA!


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:35:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thanks for the reality slap!! (2.00 / 2)

Thanks, I am going to need it in VA.  It is the same with me because I live in DC which is deep Navy.  No one hates Republican rule more than we do because they just rob and ignore the city.  Clinton tried to improve life for DC residents, and we would see him around town all the time.  Bush bites!!!


by smgreene on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:41:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thanks for the reality slap!! (2.00 / 1)

Don't be too bummed, man.  Remember, this "rock star" has not yet given a single interview or answered any questions from the press.

The VETTING has not yet even begun.


The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.
by mtnspirit on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 10:31:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thanks for the reality slap!! (none / 0)

Don't forget, they only get 8 questions, and please NOT WHILE SHE'S EATING WAFFLES!!


Killing me softly with his song
by Miles Outlandish on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 06:02:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 2)

Relax everybody. There's bound to be a bounce it just the nature of things.

You'll notice the McCain campaign is keeping the Gov. off the Sunday talk shows.  Sort of telling that she may not be ready for prime questioning.

So no stress get to work, if you can't work donate. I gave another  $100 bucks today.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:36:40 PM EST

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 1)

Oh, you aren't going to see Palin on Hardball or Charlie Rose.

My take is, a softball session with Kati Couric where the questions are vetted by the McCain campaign.  

Then Hannity, and the usual Faux crowd for Sarah.

She will do the kind of campaigning Bush does, invitation only, no reporters, screaming packed houses of the home-folks....


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:43:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (none / 0)

So youre saying she's going to go the Obama route, avoiding tough questions?

We've supported Democrats not going on fox news for any reason (interviews, debates, etc) so why shouldn't she do the same?

MSNBC is in the bag for democrats, she'd be stupid to open herself up to such stauch Obama partisans.


Killing me softly with his song
by Miles Outlandish on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 06:04:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

So no longer faking it, eh? (none / 0)

Wow, given up on your fake Obama support, eh Miles?


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 08:45:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Sir (2.00 / 1)

I am NOT scared.  I am simply looking to employ Napoleon's approach to combat:

Find the biggest and heaviest thing you can and keep hitting your opponent in the head with it until he's finished.

Hillary Clinton makes for one hell of big rock.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:42:29 PM EST

Re: Sir (2.00 / 1)

I hear you, and it sounds like she and Schumer are heading down to Florida. Good for them.

But, I am not counting on Senator Clinton to save Obama, he and Biden have to hit the midwest and show those people McCain/Palin AIN'T on their side.

I also think Obama should call up Emily's list and all those folks who were SOOO pissed about Hillary, and NOW is the time to make amends, cause it sure looks like THOSE people have figured out who Sarah Palin is....if there is any bad blood left, time to see if we can put that behind us. (and Yes, I know..I read the release from Emily's list..not saying they ain't pitching...)

Anyway, I just got mad as hell today, reading some of the folks calling Palin this juggernaut that wiped us out.

Feh!


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:48:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm counting on (2.00 / 1)

National Enquirer, Us Magazine, Entertainment Tonight, Perez Hilton, and Jamie Lynn Spears to be very big rocks.  This Jerry Springer-like family freak show won't help McCain win in November.  


by Dumbo on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 09:13:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Good point! (2.00 / 1)

However, I've been more of a naval guy myself.  I think we should burn out the batteries.  Let them have it with everything.

We should ask, "What ads would Republicans run against a McCain/Palin ticket?" and then run tons of those.  I've thought since last Friday that Sen. Obama's campaign has been way too conservative on the VP or by extension the health issues and cognitive issues surrounding Senator McCain (or even his flip flops).  At this point in our society's development it is much easier for people to determine what they want to vote against than what they want to vote for.  If 527s have to spring up to do it, fine but it needs to be done because the media won't do it.

On the plus side, it looks like the RNC bump is going to put them tied.  It is not going to be President Bush's super bump that Kerry couldn't ever make a dent in.


Visiting the hopium dens proudly since 2007.
by AZphilosopher on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 03:02:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (none / 0)

Well, thanks for the posts folks.

Heading over to band practice, I will probably break a snare head tonight, as long as I keep focusing on pundits telling me Sarah Palin's speech was EPIC!

WHAMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:56:12 PM EST

Thanks (2.00 / 2)

You're right, of course.

She's a tough but hugely divisive pick.  We're being forced right back into the same sort of culture war campaign that both candidates decried at the start of the primaries.  It'll be ugly, nasty, and bumpy throughout but I think the GOP is more torn on this than us.  Their base hungers for the battle on exactly these grounds. The problem being that it really only appeals to their base.  If they manage to finesse the issue deftly we might have a problem.  If the low-information public never sees beyond War Hero/Maverick & Really Nice Hockey Mom/Reformer we may loose votes that are honestly aligned with the Dems.   But I think that the hard-Right feels they're a movement now & enough of them will push this well past the tipping point.

But thoughts and expectations don't win elections.  Donations and action do.  Give money, give time & give your friends, family and acquaintances encouragement to do the same.


A drink whenever Palin makes a Well-argued, Semantically Intact, Logical and Lucid Argument -- or WASILLA for short.
by January 20 on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:57:51 PM EST

I predicted months ago... (2.00 / 2)

(And I also look just like Nostradamus, pointy hat and all...)

I predicted months ago that after the RNC convention, the Republicans would get some good polls and they would even be AHEAD in some polls.  Maybe even most of them!  And that the usual worry warts would just fly into total "Tolja so!" panic/ecstasy.

So that's what is coming AFTER the convention, and we're not even there yet.  Just BRACE yourself.

Why?  Because it's NORMAL for candidates to get a bump in the polls after a convention.  But it's also, sadly, too common for many Democrats to freak out when the polls turn the other way for even a moment.  God bless them if they ever invest in the stock market.  They'll be buying high and selling low every time.

So McCain will get a bounce, some indicators will look better for him, he'll get some good press and some reports that the race is tight or asking why Obama isn't doing better.  

And then the real contest will begin.  As it begins, some of McCain's numbers will slip.

After that, I don't know what will happen.  Nobody does.  The fundamentals drastically favor us, but everything up to that point is as predictable as clockwork.  

So don't fucking panic.  You lose my respect when you do.  If you can't control your mood swings, just shut up, get off of here, and play WOW for a couple of weeks.  All of this was predicted, is predicted, and can be discounted as irrelevant bullshit.  You didn't think Obama's convention bounce was going to win it for us, did you?  Don't be naive.


by Dumbo on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 09:09:10 PM EST

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 3)

Thank you Blue!

Jerome wants us to lay down and die.

I will not.  I'm fighting back...HARD.


"Can We Build It? Yes We Can!" - Bob the Builder
by Stipes on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 09:18:01 PM EST

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 1)

You're more then welcome.....


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 12:24:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

In finality, I think this will be a close (2.00 / 1)

election. Given an even split amongst independents, it would depend upon who can excite their base to turn out and vote. Thus, Palin choice helped McCain, by exciting his disaffected social conservatives and bringing them back into his fold. Given, there are about 10% more Democrats, there is no reason why Obama should not be able to win this GE. Obama/Biden ticket needs to make sure that the base turns out fully in droves for them. It's about the base, the base, the base...


by louisprandtl on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 09:20:14 PM EST

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 3)

Remember, this is still an electoral vote contest and the map still favors Obama.  

It's hard to see how McCain flips a Kerry state.  My guess is that Palin's crazy wingnut shtick is not going to play in New Hampshire, which was probably McCain's best bet.  So that gives Obama 251 EVs to start with-- all the Kerry states.  Iowa is probably in the bank, so that's 258.  Throw in New Mexico, which is heavily trending Obama, and that's 263.  

McCain's task will be to sweep Florida, Ohio, Colorado, Virginia and North Carolina without letting another red state like Missouri or Indiana slip away.  He could afford to lose Nevada and still squeak out a 270-268 win, but you get the picture.  It is McCain with the small margin for error, not Obama.


by JK47 on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 09:48:43 PM EST

Worry is silly (2.00 / 3)

This was never going to be a cake walk. The GOP is out in full force, they have made some brilliant moves.

We are still competitive.

They have been in full-out balls-on attack mode since Schmidt took over. They have been playing the media like a fiddle. McCain is burning his POW cred, he is destroying his media base, and he was panicked into what turns out to be a good decision.

Without evidence of panic, or great strain, the Obama campaign (with the Clintons help) has been working strategically, countering this to the extent that we were up by 8 yesterday.

Now the GOP is calling down a culture war. Fuck 2004, where they mildly mocked their way to victory, they are having to go all in, willing to tear the country in half to win. THEY smell defeat. Palin gives them a fighting chance, not a mandate.

Remember, we haven't even shown all our cards yet. We're encroaching on important Senate seats. The electoral college still favors us. We are GOTV at a rate of 50 to 60 times what McCain is. We have an incredibly smart campaign team, and a nominee who must have ice in his veins.

This is not a time to worry. We are showing the GOP what a REAL tussle looks like. We are making them go scorched earth, just to stay apace. They have to hide their VP from the freaking press, while our nominee goes on O'Reilly.

Have any of you ever been in a fight? Even when you win, you get a black eye, a busted lip, and an arm that's sore for two weeks. You don't win because you took no damage, you win because the other guy looks worse.

I'm proud of Democrats this year, win or lose. Lets keep donating, and phonebanking, and staying positive. Worrying is just silly.


by Neef on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 09:54:25 PM EST

Uh, no they haven't. (2.00 / 2)

The GOP is out in full force, they have made some brilliant moves.

I'm not unwilling to give them credit where it's due, but there are too many people here that interpret a disastrous choice like Palin as some secretly brilliant move.  Despite Jerome's rave review of her, she is going to be a long-term anchor to McCain.  And based on the fact that they didn't vet her, or only began vetting her at the last minute, we can reasonably infer that she was a backup choice when some other, longer planned deal fell through.  Not brilliant.


by Dumbo on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 01:20:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Not the Palin pick (none / 0)

But the "celebrity" ad line was creative, unexpected, and damaging. It certainly reversed the amazing optics Obama got from his Iraq trip.

I think Palin was a good pick, but that was luck, not brilliance. Regardless, this has not been a slipshod crew (since Schmidt) by any means.


by Neef on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 01:57:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Uh, no they haven't. (none / 0)

So this was their backup plan?

Yikes, I'm glad we didnt get to see their primary plan.


Killing me softly with his song
by Miles Outlandish on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 06:12:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 1)

I am not worried, I use reality and the clear facts, not the assumed and skewed facts. It's just a front page diary trying to use a poll to say "told you so" ( due to something above my pay grade) yet, and here's the best part, the poll doesnt tell us shite


by KLRinLA on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 10:07:57 PM EST

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 1)

my 2 cents on your "Hillary" remark, FWIW:

Far better for the party if Hillary stays mute on Sarah Palin until the media is DESPERATE for her opinion.

The have her toss out some scathing off-hand comment that reveals her contempt and dismissal of the VP nominee's credentials.  THAT would have an impact.

For her to come forward now would be seen as a partisan move that would undercut her position in the feminist movement.  She's not that stupid.


The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.
by mtnspirit on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 10:35:59 PM EST

Here is the point (2.00 / 4)

it is MCCAIN. His bad judgement. His first Big Important Decision was palin. Is the story about palin's and why she is so unqualified or is it about MCCAIN and how he chose such an unqualified person for his VP?

"Country First"? ... yeah RIGHT?!


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 10:54:58 PM EST

Kevin, I wonder if McCain (2.00 / 2)

really DID choose her.  Maybe she was forced on him at metaphorical gunpoint by Dobson et. al.  Something does not quite square with all these stories of "yes, he vetted her, no he didn't, yes, he did it at the last minute, yes but we're still vetting her now."

I tried to point out that in that first video of him introducing Palin, he was very cool towards her, not making eye contact.  Jed made a funny youtube out of it, implying he was watching her ass, but it wasn't that at all.  I got the feeling, watching that, that it wasn't a comfortable moment for him.


by Dumbo on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 01:16:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Kevin, I wonder if McCain (2.00 / 1)

From what I've read (can't find the link) it looks like McCain REALLY wanted Lieberman, but the RNC guys just wouldn't allow it. They REALLY wanted Romney. Pawlenty (sp?) was the agreed upon compromise, but then McCain decided on his own that he liked Palin and chose her.
It was such a well kept secret that only five or ten people knew about it before McCain's announcement.
She was NOT vetted. No one showed up in Alaska until last week (according to the democratic oppo researchers who showed up at the hall of records and were told that they were the first ones to ask). Apparently, no one bothered to Google her name. The campaign said something about an FBI background check, but that turned out to be a lie.
As far as I've been able to find out, McCain and Palin met once in person (last year, I think) before he decided on her for VP. They had at least three phone conversations, maybe more.

As far as what I THINK happened, I think that McCain didn't want Romney, or any of the other acceptable candidates. I think he hates bending over for the religious right every other day. So, he picked someone he personally liked who had facist-like conservative views and was a woman so he could try to steal Hillary votes and thought "let the religious right bitch about THAT!"
I think the only vetting that was done was in that conversation with Palin, when McCain probably asked her if she had any skeletons in her closet that he needed to be aware of.
And I think EVERYTHING since has been the right wing bullshit machine in action. Which, in my experience, is about finding the most convoluted logic you possibly can and get everybody screaming it in chorus as if it is absolute fact.


by EvilAsh on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 03:01:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Sorry, I STILL do not buy it. (none / 0)

It was such a well kept secret that only five or ten people knew about it before McCain's announcement.

This does not strike me as a well-kept secret.  This strikes me as a sudden decision made in haste.  If McCain had really been considering her all along, or even since the week before, he could have had somebody do some vetting.  Doing otherwise is reckless, and I can't imagine anybody in his campaign not shitting bricks over him suddenly saying, "Screw it, I'll take this woman I only talked to once, Palin."  That's just not how it works in the normal, real world.  Either McCain had a temper tantrum that led him to pick somebody not on the short list at all, (which is possible), or somebody outside the campaign inner circle threw Palin's name into the hat at the end of the process and it was chosen above the names on the real short list for emergency reasons.

Think about this a while.  There are serious unanswered questions here.

Let's assume he did want Lieberman or Ridge.  Perhaps Dobson and the other religious righties got involved in the process at the very end and said, "No Lieberman, no Ridge, or else we walk.  Take one of these people from OUR short list!"  That would better explain the choice of Palin and the fact that she underwent no vetting.  And the fact that so few knew her name.  The only "well-kept secret" in this scenario is that McCain knuckled under to keep his campaign alive.

I'm sorry to drag you through this kind of lengthy, almost-conspiracy theory, but the official story just sucks.


by Dumbo on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:44:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sorry, I STILL do not buy it. (none / 0)

Well, the "well kept secret" part was kind of snark. The VP pick is NEVER an out-of-nowhere surprise like this. Too many people are in on it due to the necessary vetting for the name to not show up on SOMEBODY's radar. In fact, the fact that her name was on NO media list of potential VPs is evidence that she wasn't vetted. If someone with the campaign were looking into her, the media would have heard about it. (Flights to Alaska don't go unnoticed.)
I think the "Vetting" they are referring to was from McCain himself, talking to her on the phone.
And actually, it turns out it was ROVE who put the kibash on Lieberman, and it was the BUSHES who really loved Romney. They thought they had McCain backed into a corner and he picked Palin partly out of spite, but also to give the base someone they couldn't possibly complain about.
by EvilAsh on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 06:18:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sorry, I STILL do not buy it. (none / 0)

Anh links for that?  That's a terrific story, if true, especially the spite part.  More damaging than just failure to vet.


by Dumbo on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:40:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sorry, I STILL do not buy it. (none / 0)

Well, 'spite' isn't an exact quote, more me reading between the lines, but the Rove part in quashing Lieberman and pushing Romney is here http://www.politico.com/news/stories/080 8/12922.html
and here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sidney-blu menthal/why-palin-mccain-v-rove_b_122841 .html
Here's one that attributes some motives,
http://www.observer.com/2008/politics/li eberman-romney-palin
But that one is also mostly conjecture, although VERY reasonable conjecture.
by EvilAsh on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 09:00:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Pollster (none / 0)

Check it out.
http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/08-us-p res-ge-mvo.php
Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 10:56:23 PM EST

Heh Heh (2.00 / 3)

Damn straight!

Elections are not sprints.  They are a long distance run and these things take time.  This is the republican's week.  

Now the campaign finally happens.  


by zmus on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 11:17:56 PM EST

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 5)

Several things:

Look at Pollster.com, RCP, 538 or any compilation and you will see that this race has NOT been tied.  Obama has had a consistent lead since at least April.  At this point in 2004 Kerry was tanking.

If you recall in the Primaries, apart from the aberration in NH, Obama nearly always over performed the polls.  Why was this?  Oh yeah - remember that ace up the sleeve, the ground game?  They scoff at community organizing now... the poetic justice in November is likely to be all too perfect.

Did I mention that this race isn't and hasn't been tied?

So quite reading the tea leaves in the polls, get out there and make those phone calls, knock on those doors, talk to your neighbors and friends.  One conversation at a time, yes we can!


by NMMatt on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 12:06:59 AM EST

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (none / 0)

Agreed. I love it when people look at a candidate who is leading and has been leading and moan that they are going to lose.


by EvilAsh on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 03:04:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 2)

I am not worried. I think this RNC was flat and uninspiring and disjointed. Palin had them fired up but she also drove a wedge between McCain and independents. Then tonight McCain acted like he was a republican at all so I don't know what message they were trying to send.

But thanks WSB for pointing out that one poll does not indicate that Sarah Palin is anything more than an unknown rural governor with an incredibly narrow field of vision.


by wasder on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 12:34:23 AM EST

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 2)

I am not worried. I think this RNC was flat and uninspiring and disjointed. Palin had them fired up but she also drove a wedge between McCain and independents. Then tonight McCain acted like he wasn't a republican at all so I don't know what message they were trying to send.

But thanks WSB for pointing out that one poll does not indicate that Sarah Palin is anything more than an unknown rural governor with an incredibly narrow field of vision.


by wasder on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 12:37:06 AM EST

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 2)

Best diary I've read today.


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 01:23:29 AM EST

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (2.00 / 1)

We're not scared of losing to them.  We're scared of them running the country.

I think in the back of our minds we could all imagine living under a McCain presidency.  This country is in sore need of new leadership and competence, and as bad as another four years of the same policies would have been, it might have been bearable.  But this?  My god.  What if they win?


by Jordache on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:44:59 AM EST

Re: Quit being such wimps!!!! (none / 0)

It isn't Palin that scares me, although there is plenty about her to be scared about. This week, we all saw the soulless nature of the Republican party. I have no doubt about the lack of intelligence of most in that party, and I have serious doubts about those that call themselves Independents. Are they smart enough to see through McCain's and Palin's bullshit? It's the Independents that scare me.


by zenful6219 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:52:07 AM EST


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